right
yeah I know GaryI've known Gary Taubes since the 90s andI hosted Amit our
lecture series at CalTech and and we've reviewed his booksand so when I just
had him last year forthe sugar book at one of our salons Iasked him if he felt
somewhat vindicatedbecause he was really out in the out andin the weeds there I
mean the sort offrontiers by himself back in the late90s and you know he was
vilified prettypretty harshly and it's really lookinglike he and and you are
now beingvindicated by the science
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